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12-31-2007
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If something had some merit and was capable of advancing humanity I'd be an advocate of it's teaching - especially to younger kids. Teaching biology, evolution, and Earth science to kids gets them interested in said fields of study, and helps ensure that the next generation of scientists have the required knowledge they need to make the world a better place.

What we've learned about evolution in the past 150 years has directly led to hundreds-of-thousands of medical 'miracles', and even today, genetic diseases (which are the most devastating, are impossible to cure, and often times are hardly treatable) have the potential to be wiped out, and all the research is based entirely on what we've learned about evolution.

The technology we use (and seem to charish) today is based entirely on science that indicates the world, and Our Universe, is billions of years old, not thousands.

So, why would we even want to teach creationism? Believe it or not, if creationism had evidence indicating it might possibly have some merit, I'd advocate that it be taught to children. But it doesn't have any evidence supporting it's idea about things.

Despite all that, about 25% of The United States wants it to be taught in public schools. Why? Well, some people believe that it should be taught because they think there is some sort of controversy among scientists about whether or not the natural sciences are correct - that's absolute bullshit. Of the millions of scientists in this world, there are very few (a fraction of a percent) believe creationism to be true.

Normally, a scientific theory must be published, and peer reviewed. After a decade or two, once it's gained some credibility, it's generally okay to teach it in schools. Creation wacko's (they actually call themselves scientists) want to bypass that process, and just insert their psuedotheory into the public education system. In order for something to be taught in a public school, it must be accepted by whatever group (historians, scientists, mathematicians, etc) came up with it. The only place where creationism is accepted is in church...

This is a thread created to debate about whether or not creationism should be taught, and to debate about the 'science' surrounding it. Although I haven't run this by MarkedAchillies, I'm almost positive you can run any biology question you can think of by him. Anything and everything regarding the medical (and probably Earth science, like chemistry, physics, etc) you can run by me.
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I concur 100%

My opinion is basically the quote in you sig by Judith Hayes.

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If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction.
Why would we teach something that ultimatley does not make sense, and has no evidence of being correct or true?

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I agree buddy, glad to see someone can put into words what I usually have a hard time expressing
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Because children like storks...
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If something had some merit and was capable of advancing humanity I'd be an advocate of it's teaching - especially to younger kids. Teaching biology, evolution, and Earth science to kids gets them interested in said fields of study, and helps ensure that the next generation of scientists have the required knowledge they need to make the world a better place.

What we've learned about evolution in the past 150 years has directly led to hundreds-of-thousands of medical 'miracles', and even today, genetic diseases (which are the most devastating, are impossible to cure, and often times are hardly treatable) have the potential to be wiped out, and all the research is based entirely on what we've learned about evolution.

The technology we use (and seem to charish) today is based entirely on science that indicates the world, and Our Universe, is billions of years old, not thousands.

So, why would we even want to teach creationism? Believe it or not, if creationism had evidence indicating it might possibly have some merit, I'd advocate that it be taught to children. But it doesn't have any evidence supporting it's idea about things.

Despite all that, about 25% of The United States wants it to be taught in public schools. Why? Well, some people believe that it should be taught because they think there is some sort of controversy among scientists about whether or not the natural sciences are correct - that's absolute bullsh.t. Of the millions of scientists in this world, there are very few (a fraction of a percent) believe creationism to be true.

Normally, a scientific theory must be published, and peer reviewed. After a decade or two, once it's gained some credibility, it's generally okay to teach it in schools. Creation wacko's (they actually call themselves scientists) want to bypass that process, and just insert their psuedotheory into the public education system. In order for something to be taught in a public school, it must be accepted by whatever group (historians, scientists, mathematicians, etc) came up with it. The only place where creationism is accepted is in church...

This is a thread created to debate about whether or not creationism should be taught, and to debate about the 'science' surrounding it. Although I haven't run this by MarkedAchillies, I'm almost positive you can run any biology question you can think of by him. Anything and everything regarding the medical (and probably Earth science, like chemistry, physics, etc) you can run by me.
Good rant. +1 brother.
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I think we should also teach the stork theory in Biology and the Flying Spaghetti Monster in Science....


EDIT: Crap, apparently Judith Hayes beat me to the stork comment.
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Who teaches creationism? Even the private schools in my city don't even teach it. Sure we'll talk about it but most science/biology books regardless of the school contain the evolutionary theory.... or is that just in Memphis?
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Creationism is idiotic. Personally I think that any theory that has even a sliver of evidence behind it should trump creationism when it comes to education.
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What school do you go to? If I remember correctly, the only place Creationism was "taught" was church. Like its always been for me.

You're just taking another negative stand against religion to fuel your rage towards those that do believe. Lay off.

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What school do you go to? If I remember correctly, the only place Creationism was "taught" was church. Like its always been for me.

You're just taking another negative stand against religion to fuel your rage towards those that do believe. Lay off.
Kansas had it added to their curriculum for a time.

Other places still teach it as well.


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