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Yeah, and we have been trying to say that pornography does not fit in our criteria of sin. You have your own criteria, what may be wrong in your mind, may be child's play in another. But of course, if it doesn't fit with the good book, we are immoral human beings.
My argument was not to say porn is sin. You misinterpreted.


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Once again. No lust = No Sin.

You don't have the ability to label anyone who watches porn as a lustful person. There's way too many variables for you to deal with an absolute in this situation.
Thanks for the bump.

You watch porn that arouses you = you lust.
You watch porn the does not arouse you (do not really see how that is possible) = you do not lust.

So if you watch porn that arouses you (which is the point of watching porn, is it not?) then you lust. We agree on this correct?
And if you watch porn that does not arouse you (although I say that with most uncertainty, because I do not really understand how one can watch porn without being aroused) you do not lust. Can we agree on that?

Then my question to you would be if you do not get aroused, then why watch?

I guess what I am trying to say is that, even if one somehow can watch porn without lusting, why would they watching it? Because is not the whole point of porn to get aroused? It just seems self defeating to me.
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The ease of access for children may be viewed as harmful. I've noticed that my brother and sister have both changed (personality wise) since 'discovering' the internet. By using myspace, playing WoW, chatting on AIM, etc... I really do think it changes people. I'm not going to go into detail about how they "changed" - but I can tell that innocence has been lost.

The same thing applies for internet porn. Yeah, its nice to have - but it is not reality which is an important truth that kids may not be able to discern. Making the claim that it would shape someone's views to the point of "degrading" women altogether is a little extreme in my opinion. Something like that is a fundamental belief instilled in someone at an early age by their parents.

No, the changes are much more subtle. Having unreal expectations of another person's body, sexual attitude/desire/willingness are there, but not to the point of creating the idea that women are just a piece of meat.
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Define "wrong," Delay.


Take a philosophy course, you halfwit.
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Delay is a fucking idiot like the sky is blue. I hope you wake up one day crying realizing that all your presumptions and failures of rationalizations are a complete fucking failure when you put them in perspective. Provide a single, persuasive counterargument to anything someone has countered to you and I will fucking become an Evangelist so help me the Christian God.
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Define "wrong," Delay. Take a philosophy course, you halfwit.
Let's not play games, we all very well know right from wrong. Already have taken many thanks.


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I just find it hilarious how delay here is accusing people of being immature childish teenagers, yet time after time he is the one dealing in absolutes like a child. I'm not going to participate in this, this is not a debate as so much as hockey is golf.
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You do in fact do things that are deemed wrong, everyone does, which consequently results in you sinning, voluntarily or not is irrelevant. Sinning is doing something wrong, regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, etc. We all are sinners.
Sinning derived/belongs to your religion, not all cultures, ethic man.

Therefore, anything you consider sinning, does not apply to anyone outside the Christian bastardhood.

We all know that masturbation and porn is sin.

But that's Christianity...

Important to note, considering your word 'sin' of which belongs to Christianity, borrowing from a universal definition of 'wrong'.

Therefore you can say whatever meaningless babble you want to people of belonging to Christianity.

Keep your words to your patrons.

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It's like how you hate when random people tell you "it was god", or "a miracle" or "prayers."

Keep that shit to yourself, it makes others who do not believe feel manipulated.

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Sinning derived/belongs to your religion, not all cultures, ethic man.

Therefore, anything you consider sinning, does not apply to anyone outside the Christian bastardhood.

We all know that masturbation and porn is sin.

But that's Christianity...

Important to note, considering your word 'sin' of which belongs to Christianity, borrowing from a universal definition of 'wrong'.

Therefore you can say whatever meaningless babble you want to people of belonging to Christianity.

Keep your words to your patrons.

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It's like how you hate when random people tell you "it was god", or "a miracle" or "prayers."

Keep that sh.t to yourself, it makes others who do not believe feel manipulated.
Don't you think that's muffling someone's right to free speech? You can simply ignore, walk away, or refute them, but hoping they keep quiet is impeeding on someone's rights. It's also hypocritical. If you're allowed to say it was "luck" someone of faith is also allowed to say it was "god".

Also, why do you think porn and masturbation is absolutely a sin no matter the circumstances?
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Don't you think that's muffling someone's right to free speech? You can simply ignore, walk away, or refute them, but hoping they keep quiet is impeeding on someone's rights. It's also hypocritical. If you're allowed to say it was "luck" someone of faith is also allowed to say it was "god".

Also, why do you think porn and masturbation is absolutely a sin no matter the circumstances?
I'm talking about correctness and etiquette. Imposing your own beliefs on others assuringly (meaning without question and also without basis)is what I'm getting at.

I'm in oppositionof exactly that lol.

You didn't understand my post.
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Oh ok, the "Keep your words to your patrons" and the "Keep your religious references i.e "prayer" "miracle" etc" line is what made me question it that's all.

And Voni, I think you're under the radar. At least for now.
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Yeah, like, I don't want anyone to feel like they can't continue to do what they're doing in their respective religions.

I just want them to realise they have no right to impose or assume themselves and/or their beliefs (important latter part) when it's outside a scientific or natural discussion. Those are protected by unconditional humble objectiveness, to the best of our capability.

I want them to just realize that they have more important things to do - like question their beliefs and question life around you, use your brain for enlightenment and honest discovery.

Religion is the exact inverse of this, a vacuum to inwardly conceal the power you have in your mind.

Admittance of knowing almost everything when not doing the work or investigating anything.

My stance against religion is simply you cannot know everything henceforth without somehow putting your shovel in the ground and working it out.

Everything needs to be updated and constantly tested. Life changes and evolves. So should our minds.
 

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