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A set has to be defined by its constituents - otherwise it has no qualities at all.


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So the set of all red things is itself red, then?
What quality can a set possess, other than an enumeration of its parts, if it is not defined by its parts?


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It's not about the words. It's about the qualities that they allude to.

If something is predictable, it cannot be unpredictable at the same time. But we have a set that is predictably unpredictable - you cannot attribute both of those qualities directly to the set. We've established that the set is unpredictable, so what EXACTLY, in the epistemological sense, contains the quality of predictability?

Qualities are a required facet of logical existence. So you can't tell me that they don't exist or are irrelevant.
Saying something is unpredictable. If you were to say that it is unpredictable and then say it is predictably unpredictable it makes sense. Why? Because your not referring to the event when you say it is "predictable" you are referring to it BEING unpredictable.

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