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12-14-2010
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I didn't know you were tasked with the privilege of deciding what's interesting and what's not.
Just stick to leet montages please.


Not really sure why anyone even bothers with the Bible, here's an arousing list of hilarious contradictions within the THE WORD.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

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I forgot to mention the dozens of ecumenical councils throughout history which consisted of agenda-driven, biased men arguing about how to actually read the Bible. But hey, that couldn't possibly have impacted the Bible and how we read it today, right?
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I've never understood how Christians can reconcile that with their beliefs. It's such a huge red flag.
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I can safely say that I'll practice alchemy because it's way more cool than Christianity, after watching Full Metal Alchemist.

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I forgot to mention the dozens of ecumenical councils throughout history which consisted of agenda-driven, biased men arguing about how to actually read the Bible. But hey, that couldn't possibly have impacted the Bible and how we read it today, right?
Well, not totally...
Most of the councils were used as a point of reference to be clear what defines a Christian and what doesn't. For example, many of the creeds we hold to today were either written or agreed upon by each of these councils as foundational elements of what Christians believe. Other non-core issues, such as transubstantiation versus consubstantiation, baptism by pouring, sprinkling, or dunking, minor issues like that were also considered. Today we have many denominations who practice differently based on Biblical interpretation.

And believe it or not, there are a ton of people out there who read the Bible differently. Literal or not really depends on the context.
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Well, not totally...
Most of the councils were used as a point of reference to be clear what defines a Christian and what doesn't. For example, many of the creeds we hold to today were either written or agreed upon by each of these councils as foundational elements of what Christians believe. Other non-core issues, such as transubstantiation versus consubstantiation, baptism by pouring, sprinkling, or dunking, minor issues like that were also considered. Today we have many denominations who practice differently based on Biblical interpretation.
I don't see how that doesn't relate to how the Bible is read today, seeing as each denomination claims that their traditions are rooted in scripture.
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And believe it or not, there are a ton of people out there who read the Bible differently. Literal or not really depends on the context.
Yes, I understand that, and that's one of the reasons I pointed out the ecumenical councils and one of my biggest problems with claiming any sort of absolute validity and infallibility of biblical texts. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, but my main gripe with evangelicals, for example, is that their theology is inherited from ancient and early medieval Christianity, but they claim to disregard that tradition and that they simply "read the book as it's written," so to speak. Take the Holy Trinity. This doctrine is somewhat lacking in direct, clear scriptural support. It was developed by proto-Orthodox members of the early Church who were trained in a very figurative reading of the Bible. Now evangelicals, having taken that doctrine wholesale from the Protestantism that they came from (Protestants themselves being avid followers of some Catholic doctrines, while throwing out others), act as though they have deduced it from an obvious reading of the text, ignoring the past 2000 years of theology and philosophy behind their belief structure.

Whose authority do we go by when determining whether to read a specific passage as literal or figurative?
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12-16-2010
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I think people make way to big of a deal out of the "literal or figurative interpretation of the bible" argument. I wish people would realize that the Bible is subject to interpretation just like our very own Constitution is. I mean, we have judicial system that interprets the law every day, and they don't always come to the same conclusion day after day, or we would have never made some of the amendments we've made.

As a believer, I can really disregard all of the trivial nitpicking of doctrine because I understand what the Bible as a whole teaches us, what the big picture is. Organized religion has probably been the most detrimental thing to the Christian faith. Too many old men haggling over unimportant things like how to interpret this story, should this passage be taken in a literal sense or a figurative one, can we eat meat on this day or can't we, so on and so forth.
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12-16-2010
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Maybe it's time for another ecumenical council to get rid of all the horrible, horrible things (Gnostics were on the right track as far as considering OT god pretty horrible).

They could probably just trim it down to John 15:12.
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12-16-2010
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Sorry if this is kind of off topic, but Davo, have you ever heard or read the theory presented by Edwin Abbott in his book Flatland?
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I wouldn't so much call it a theory...
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