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By destiny, don't you mean Hell? Doesn't God send us to Hell if we don't believe in him?
From what the bible says...

Everyone is going to hell. It's not God's bidding. When you are saved, you are rescued from that end.

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From what the bible says...

Everyone is going to hell. It's not God's bidding. When you are saved, you are rescued from that end.
exactly.

You have the choice one way or another.

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You cannot choose what you believe. If I "chose" to believe in God, I would be lying to myself.


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God gave man the right to choose. Some people choose not to believe. Therefore, they choose their own destiny.

NOW, this brings up a hotttttt debate... that of pre-destination. Which i personally don't hold a view on yet because i haven't really thought about it and i would be spewing crap if i tried to talk about it. But seeing how i believe that God gave man free will, i guess you could say i'm leaning more toward going against pre-destination... but again, i don't really take a stance on it yet.
If god really knows everything (which is expressly stated in the Bible) than free will is an illusion, and some/most people were created just to go to hell.
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If god really knows everything (which is expressly stated in the Bible) than free will is an illusion, and some/most people were created just to go to hell.
Again, i've already stated i don't take a stand on predestination yet as i haven't looked into it as much as i'd like to. I honestly just don't know. I deal w/ laziness and this is something i need to get off the couch for.

Granted it pretty much boils down to either free will or predestination... i can't say which one. I'd be spewing out crap if i tried to take a stance as i couldn't defend either one effectively.
 

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