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My reply, do you like your socialists:
roads-I guess
schools-no
bridges-I guess
military-sure
post office-no
fire department/police department-ya
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Your sexual fantasies are of no interest to those of us in the debate forum who are here to, oh I don't know, debate.

Socialism. Define it, Sykane. I trust big corporations less than I trust the government. The number one goal of corporations are to make the cheapest product and sell it for the most money, which in reality, means that their goal is to f..k you over. The government's number one responsibility is to protect the people. What follows from either school of thought might, in the case of Bush, completely overlap. sh.t, Cheney gave multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts to the corporation he was CEO of, and they did NOTHING!
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In democratic socialism anyone who says business is controlled by the state are admitting to the fact that it is controlled by the people. If the government truly represents the people, that is. A republic fails to do that, so i would say direct democracy is the way to go. I don't see why its not plausible with modern-day technology.


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I have.

anymore thoughts?
there's a reason i'm not goin to debate socialism.
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there's a reason i'm not goin to debate socialism.
total anarchy?


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In democratic socialism anyone who says business is controlled by the state are admitting to the fact that it is controlled by the people. If the government truly represents the people, that is. A republic fails to do that, so i would say direct democracy is the way to go. I don't see why its not plausible with modern-day technology.
I can agree to that without reservation. The obvious problem is the whole 'government truly representing the people' part. The U.S. is strongly politically divided, so major policy decisions are made with the majority side having only 4-5% more people behind it.

There is also the problem of (keeping with the terminology used today) transparency in government. Bush stopped the Freedom of Information Act. That was a SERIOUS tactical strike against transparency, and it was done to keep the people from knowing where money was spent (I'm looking at you no-bid contracts). Obama already re-instituted it, and has pledged to put every penny of government money spent in a format that anyone can see. If that really is done, I'm going to be one happy camper.
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cause it turns into communism, and like communism some businesses are controlled by the government..thats bad
Our government had to buy up banks because if they didn't our economy would collapse.
so I'd say that was good.

Also, it doesnt really work in it's pure form because we're human.
we don't really want to be equal, we want to have it all!

capitalism mixed with socialism works better, the government takes care of sh.t that is very important, because we want to waranty it's quality.
(Hospitals - you can't have them use old needles just because they are getting owned by another hospital and don't have the money to buy new ones.. we want that service to be of good quality everywhere).
other things can flourish on the market, but still under the eye of the government(present day more international bodies) which keep things in check.
pure capitalism might work great for a few decades(maybe) and then get smacked so hard in the face that it would go into an everlasting coma. I, myself, prefer to enjoy life for a longer period instead of some great years and then sucky sh.t.

how the goverment should act is another question, democracy and to how far... difficult, sometimes total transparent government might do more harm then good.


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I can agree to that without reservation. The obvious problem is the whole 'government truly representing the people' part. The U.S. is strongly politically divided, so major policy decisions are made with the majority side having only 4-5% more people behind it.

There is also the problem of (keeping with the terminology used today) transparency in government. Bush stopped the Freedom of Information Act. That was a SERIOUS tactical strike against transparency, and it was done to keep the people from knowing where money was spent (I'm looking at you no-bid contracts). Obama already re-instituted it, and has pledged to put every penny of government money spent in a format that anyone can see. If that really is done, I'm going to be one happy camper.
Was just talkin' to my dad and he said something, probably not original, but profound nonetheless. He said that ultimately all ideals are corrupted by man.

And I know what you are saying about the division in the U.S. I never agreed with the whole majority rules thing. It falls in line with that appeal to popularity fallacy. Maybe if it was changed to "the vast majority rules."


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Thank you TsUnAmI and Niceguy.

As a partial socialist myself I get all kinds of shit from my friends and family who thinks I am somewhat evil for liking some socialist ideals. It blows my mind and I dont understand it. I think people for so long in this country have been beaten to death about how anything socialist is evil in some way.

I dont know, I dont get it.

Anyone can look around the world and see how good socialized healthcare is compared to ours. But, yet that is bad. For some reason if people from the states think something is socialist in anyway shape or form, its evil and wrong.

Rant over.
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fire fighters are a free service, the police are free, it is free to go to school, it is free to get books from a library.
These aren't free, they are paid for by taxes. Further more Socialism was demonized by people like Former Sen McCarthy, and the whole red scare back in the early cold war. Not to mention every attempt at straight up socialism (aside from Cuba) hasn't really worked.
 

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