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i was going to ask "why is it that your ethical take sounds just like your abstracted economical take", but i guess it's pretty obvious. (you talk of principles for one thing.) thanks for the response though, i'll look into apel sometime soon.
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i was going to ask "why is it that your ethical take sounds just like your abstracted economical take", but i guess it's pretty obvious. (you talk of principles for one thing.) thanks for the response though, i'll look into the things you're mentioning sometime soon.
If you ever do look into discourse ethics, I would recommend reading from lecture 4 and on of Apel's collection of lectures "The Response of Discourse Ethics to the Moral Challenge of the Human Situation as Such and Especially Today" rather than reading anything by Hoppe on argumentation ethics. If you ever want a pdf of it I have it.
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i've a fairly comprehensive grasp of dentist ethics already, but if you'd send the apel pdf to my inbox i'd appreciate it.
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Not sure I am able to respond to this in a systematic or worthwhile way. I've read quite a few of the sources you linked and have read the first 4 sections and the last section of Nick Land's piece; since that thing is a behemoth and becoming less interesting to me, I'm not sure I will finish it.
Nick Land's prose is the sort of stuff that 18yo, Neal Stephenson-loving me would have loved.
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A convergent anti-authoritarianism emerges, labelled by tags such as meltdown acceleration, cyberian invasion, schizotechnics, K-tactics, bottom-up bacterial welfare, efficient neo-nihilism, voodoo antihumanism, synthetic feminization, rhizomatics, connectionism, Kuang contagion, viral amnesia, micro-insurgency, wintermutation, neotropy, dissipator proliferation, and lesbian vampirism, amongst other designations (frequently pornographic, abusive, or terroristic in nature). This massively distributed matrix-networked tendency is oriented to the disabling of ROM command-control programs sustaining all macro- and micro-governmental entities, globally concentrating themselves as the Human Security System.
lol if your philosophy isn't a crappy cyberpunk novel in tyool 2013. he really, really wants to be Hakim Bey (who is also fucking nuts but is a much better writer).

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Anyway, after reading it, I'm not sure what exactly neoreactionaries are "for." Is it a return to monarchy, government on a business basis (a theoretically bankrupt concept so long as there is taxation), anarchocapitalism, etc? Maybe I didn't read enough into it, but there doesn't seem to be a clear answer.
Nah, that's kind of what I was thinking too. Some talk about a return to monarchy, and okay, but how would we get there? Who would be King of America? It would likely go the way monarchical succession disputes always go, i.e. violently. But they're okay with that, I guess, because reasons and glory. On that note, it's funny how they reject 150 years of historiographical work in favor of the Great Man theory. Also, they argue monarchies have less debt? lol
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Exactly what sort of monarchy they’d prefer varies. Some want something closer to theocracy, while Yarvin proposes turning nation states into corporations with the king as chief executive officer and the aristocracy as shareholders.
But yeah, they do a lot of handwaving about how things are so bad now and they used to be better, but don't actually say much in the way of concrete actions. They seem to believe that to do so would somehow feed back into the "Cathedral" they're always going on about, but really I think it's because they can't get over any of the glaring problems with their approach.
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So what exactly is the Cathedral stopping neoreactionaries from talking about? Well, the merits of monarchy for starters. But mostly, as far as I can tell, they want to be able to say stuff like “Asians, Jews and whites are smarter than blacks and Hispanics because genetics” without being called racist. Or at least be able to express such views without the negative consequences of being labeled racist.
MY SIDES. spoiler: the Cathedral is code for J-E-W-S. Moldbug should've just straight up called it "the temple."

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I've never heard of this label before or of this Moldbug character. I'm not sure the label neo-reactionary is a good label. Is everyone who doesn't think democracy is the best possible form of governance a neo-reactionary? Or do you have to be a racist as well? Or do you just have to be against progressivism? Or do you have to favor monarchy over democracy?
I think the core is that you have to be anti-modernism/anti-enlightenment. And while that's fine, and I agree with a lot of Counter-Enlightenment thought--Horkheimer and Adorno's Dialectic of Enlightenment is really, really good stuff. And I more or less agree with Nancy and Lacoue-Labarthe's claim that "we still belong to the era" Romanticism opened up. And as far as the idea that Modern era is marked by narcissism and indolence, I'm right there with them. But I think you just have to be a mangry white 20something with a big chip on your shoulder from college to run with these guys.

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I really am not sure what to make of it and what kind of response to give because, to me, the label "neoreactionary" does not seem to mean anything distinct. I know this is a shitty post, but I'm kind of overwhelmed by the smattering of a bunch of different ideas under one odd label.
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"Reactionary" is their clever-ass opposite to progressive. Plus they understand that calling themselves fascists is going to turn off anyone with half a clue, so new name it is. But even fascists don't like reactionaries. The Nazis used to shoot them. So "reactionary" seems to be limited to wanting some absolute dictator with some quasi religious claim to power to protect the businessman. Generally a want for a return of the preindustrial societal structures would require a corporatism of a sort. Also it would require undoing the clearances, and the enclosures.


Y'know what will make everyone free? Installing arbitrary rulers that have total control over society! This has never gone wrong before. It's cute how they think they will be living it large as nobility, when in reality they will be toiling away in the dirt farms like the rest of us plebs under the reign of Neo-Vlad the Exploder

I mean, the serfs were serfs because they weren't genetically superior.




Now I'm just going to rattle off quips stream-of-consciousness style.

00:00 / 41:04


...Part 1


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http://true-blue-brit.tumblr.com/



finally someone who recognizes that rich white guys are the real victims here.

So this is what the right-wing equivalent of social justice warriors look like.

The preferred government of Ignatius J. Reilly.

A bunch of whiny nerds who know they won't amount to anything, so they construct some fantasy novel fueled ideal of monarchy where white nerds will be the rulers and tell those stupid jocks/sex-havers/frat douches to plow the fields.
It's good to see that even racism has a dorky side that got beaten up at school by the popular, sports playing neonazis.

Have you seen their Magic cards? WTF are we actually trying to understand the mind of a person who makes a magic card where they brag about being fascist?






I wanna be this guy, but, first, I gotta know how common Medusas are in this setting.

When the 'master race' is describing culture as hot garbage, I don't think other groups have to worry. hmm yeah modern culture is hot garbage, let's go back to the good old days when this was culture:



Change my mind. This is the best fucking one.
I am the ancient one. The Pureblood Reactionary. The source. I have always been and I have always will be. All modern libertarians are but shadows cast by my glorious light.

Invest your worthless fiat currency in gold and also dragonfire.


How the fuck can you be both a transhumanist and a reactionary?


Why has nobody studied my hypothesis that all women are bitches and whores?


Nah, I think most Westerners and Muslims can agree on that you people are fucking spergs that should be locked in your mother's basements.
If these cards have no attack values how do I know how many dice to roll when my steve sailer attacks such enemies of civilization such as gay black midgets and/or females tho?



yeah we're pretty laid back. just come on in and talk about ze blecks or w/e. you can do whatever you want in life. Fascists in Fedoras - The Left's Greatest Nightmare.


Good to see even fascists recognize the authority of fanfic star Eliezer Yudkowsky.



Of course a bunch of game of thrones nerds think having kings would be pretty rad
mostly because they think they'll be dukes etc.


I bet in their D&D games they say they're going to be lawful evil a bunch of times but always get talked out of it and then throw a hissy fit because things aren't going their way and spend the rest of the game crawling around under the table offering blowjobs.

When you boil it down, most dictators are huge nerds who are throwing a hissy fit because the world doesn't adhere to their twisted sense of nerd logic.
Bring back bullying in schools just for these dumb shitheads.
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