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06-27-2011
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Damn, you found me out... Just kidding actually.
The reason I didn't say I believe moral relativism is garbage is because I didn't have the time when I wrote the topic to explain why. In the same sense, I don't have the time right now because I have to go teach in about 10 minutes, so later this afternoon I intend to give my reasons why moral relativism/tolerance is ludicrous! It will be very informative.
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Should probably edit that last bit. The whole point is that they don't know.
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I'm going to open with an epistemological question, but I'll address it on a metaethical level as we go along.

Starting from the position of skepticism about an external moral foundation in the form of deities (hell, without any dualistic or platonic pleading would fit here too), how do you know, say, murder is wrong? That is, do so without appealing to religious dogma (which is also in large part socially constructed), as that eventually leads to question-begging.
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Is that for Bishop to answer?
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Yeah. You can too, I guess, but if you trot out that dead Sam Harris pony one more goddamn time...
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Which dead pony was that?
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The outdated-300-years-ago utilitarianism of The Moral Landscape. Maybe it wasn't you who is such a big fan. Might not even have been on this site. I'm just really sick of his sh.t.
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Yeah, I actually haven't read that. I'd just say that murder's morally wrong because I define morally wrong as deleterious to society (what's a better word there?), and if everybody murdered each other all the time, society would fail. And I think society's desirable because it makes it easier for human beings to survive. Frees up time and effort for us to pursue whatever makes us happy.
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swift's modest proposal?



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Carry on then. That's actually a pretty subjectivist/relativist opinion, and it flirts with both consequentialism and Kant's deontological categorical imperative. Consequentialism is somewhat of a negative ethics and the strongest case it has for a positive ethics (what you ought to do, rather than what you oughtn't) is utilitarianism, which is by and large terrible. And the categorical imperative can suck an egg.
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