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03-31-2013
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yes, the bible says the earth is flat and 6,000 years old or something. and I'm pretty sure there is scientific evidence that earth has been around a lot longer than that and is round
the bible says none of the things u just mentioned. it doesnt say the earth is flat or that its 6000 years old. there are many deitists who believe the world is a billion years old and point to the bible as their evidence. know what ur talking about before u say something so blatantly ignorant.
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the bible says none of the things u just mentioned. it doesnt say the earth is flat or that its 6000 years old. there are many deitists who believe the world is a billion years old and point to the bible as their evidence. know what ur talking about before u say something so blatantly ignorant.
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12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH.
Geography wasn't just quite there at the time.

And it doesn't say explicitly that the earth is 6000 years old. you just have to do the math.

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Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years...Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).
5 days + 2000 years + 4000 years = 6,000 years
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"4 corners of the earth" is merely just a simple expression
And as far as what i was saying about the billion years concept- there are some deitists who believe that the 6 days of creation were really only a six day creation from God's perspective. what i mean by that is, because God is theoretically beyond the universe, his reference point actually makes things seem a marginal amount faster. i'll use an example if it helps: if i have a ball in my hand and there is an ant crawling on the surface of the ball, the ant from his perspective is moving at a super-fast pace as he travels across his ideological earth. but from my perspective, the ant is moving at a near negligible speed. speed= distance divided by time. from the ants perspective, he just moved 6000 meters. from my perspective thats about 6 millimeters. from the ants perspective, it took him 3 hrs to travel 6000 meters; from mine about 3 seconds.
this is a rough concept to explain to u in so few words, but this is a theory embraced by multiple theologians and scientistis as a plausible way to explain dates presented by the carbon metric dating system. but the whole point is pretty much that time, distance, and speed is all based on reference point. to give u one more example- when u drove ur car today u may have traveled like 40 miles in 40 minutes. from God's perspective, u drove lik 1.5mm in about 2 seconds. if u cant visualize it, i dont know what to tell u, but im not makin it up, trusr me
i apoligize btw for calling u blatantly ignorant. u at least backed up ur claim with evidence of some sort...

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04-02-2013
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Back when the bible was written I don't think people were 100% sure that the earth was entirely round. It's sort of weird claim to make, but it sort of generalizes how the bible is somewhat a "starting point" of sorts in terms of geology, psychology, and other theories. Of course as time goes on, science disproves them (this is what science is; create a theory or hypothesis and prove it or, if it fails, disprove it). as a result of this, people thinking more scientifically will tend to become atheist. not entirely the reason for atheism (I would argue that it's how you were raised it the primary reason; whether you went to church, temple, etc or not)

secondly, i understand your argument that "God's days" are on a different.... time warp. I don't know how to explain it, but what I'm relating to now is in the movie Inception, where the dream space takes more time as the dreams get deeper. If you watched the movie you know where I'm coming from. I feel like this is a subjective matter unless there is something in the bible (or whatever else was written at the time I guess)

and again I guess we are both subjectively interpreting "4 corners" but there are other types of... bible evidence hinting towards the earth not being a sphere.
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04-03-2013
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Well, ur claim about the people of the Bible thinking that the Earth was flat is in essence correct, but i dont really think its that relevant. It's not like it disproves the Bible. To me it just shows how God was able to use people of remote knowledge about the Earth to present a book that to this day has stood the test of time.

And, while i can never prove the Bible to u, certainly, no atheist has yet to disprove it.

i mean lets face it, we have more evidence that Jesus rose from the dead, than that julius ceasar even existed.
Even albert einstein felt that intelligent design was not only the most plausible explanation for life on Earth but even for such universal concepts such as music and mathematics.
But if i could prove the Bible to u, then there would be no faith aspect to the Bible. in fact, the Bible would then disprove itself by proving itself because then there would be no need for faith at all.

there just has to be a God to me man, because w/o one life seems to have no purpose at all. i think thats the reason millions of atheists have converted to christianity at the end of their life...

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