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09-02-2008
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I've been doing quite a bit of research on the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) and I'm still very curious to the consequences of it...

I know it has the ability to produce black holes which can spread exponentially and consume the earth in a matter of seconds, but what else can actually happen? The odds are very small of something extremely catastrophic, but are there other things that could happen? i.e. like the Y2K scare, all technology shutting off for a certain period of time?

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Video showing what would theoretically happen if it did create a black hole... http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/Comp_Blackhole.htm
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What experiment are they running first on this machine?

I know that it is capable of doing a load of things.
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What experiment are they running first on this machine?

I know that it is capable of doing a load of things.
They're doing the particle collision test first, I think. I'll look at their schedule again.



Essentially 26 kilometers of underground tubing, they send millions of protons one way, and millions the other way. The -260 (not exact) degree Celsius chamber is supposed to replicate space, I assume.

And when they collide it's supposed to replicate the Big Bang theory.

EDIT: More on the injection testing:
http://lhc-injection-test.web.cern.ch/lhc-injection-tes...

Hardware Commissioning Coordination schedules:
http://hcc.web.cern.ch/hcc/meetings_schedules

Commissioning schedule:
http://lhc-commissioning.web.cern.ch/lhc-commissioning

Looks like it will be as late as October before 10TeV reached. 14TeV won't be attempted until 2009.

I'm not entirely sure what they're doing on the 10th..I think they're just turning it on, but the actual final speeds won't be reached for months...
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Ah.

That seems to be one of the more interesting experiments that they will be performing with this thing.

I'm sure they would not do it if there was a legit chance of complete chaos.
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Ah.

That seems to be one of the more interesting experiments that they will be performing with this thing.

I'm sure they would not do it if there was a legit chance of complete chaos.
That's the thing, they're doing it regardless of the consquences. They've said before "We honestly have no idea what will happen, that's why we're doing it."

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I don't trust this thing.... at all.

I could care less if they're trying to prove something, it's just stupid. Risk something that catostraphic to find out if the earth was made with a 'bang'.
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I don't trust this thing.... at all.

I could care less if they're trying to prove something, it's just stupid. Risk something that catostraphic to find out if the earth was made with a 'bang'.
It's not just to find out about the "Big Bang," there's so much more.

For instance, the LHC has the ability to get dark matter, or antimatter as some people call it. A half a gram of antimatter is enough to cause Hiroshima again...if we can somehow harness that, think of the possibilities of energy and what not.

Not to mention "Internet 2" is underway as well, and the only way that'll work is if the LHC can harness the needed electricity.
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It's not just to find out about the "Big Bang," there's so much more.

For instance, the LHC has the ability to get dark matter, or antimatter as some people call it. A half a gram of antimatter is enough to cause Hiroshima again...if we can somehow harness that, think of the possibilities of energy and what not.

Not to mention "Internet 2" is underway as well, and the only way that'll work is if the LHC can harness the needed electricity.
Anti-matter and dark matter are two entirely different things....

Edit: you guys are freaking out about this for no reason at all. The odds that it will create a black hole is EXTREMELY small and even if it did, the most likely scenario is that it will be an unstable black hole and deteriorate before it can gain enough mass to become stable. That website didnt work, but i doubt it was correct anyway. The only thing they are trying to figure out is whether or not the higgs-boson particle exists or not. The higgs-boson is the last particle that is predicted from the big-bang that we have not discovered because it is extremely heavy and broke down soon after the big-bang. If they do not detect the higgs-boson then the big-bang theory is not correct and we have to start from scratch.

double edit: Let me know if you want me to explain anti-matter, its pretty cool.

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Anti-matter and dark matter are two entirely different things....

Edit: you guys are freaking out about this for no reason at all. The odds that it will create a black hole is EXTREMELY small and even if it did, the most likely scenario is that it will be an unstable black hole and deteriorate before it can gain enough mass to become stable. That website didnt work, but i doubt it was correct anyway. The only thing they are trying to figure out is whether or not the higgs-boson particle exists or not. The higgs-boson is the last particle that is predicted from the big-bang that we have not discovered because it is extremely heavy and broke down soon after the big-bang. If they do not detect the higgs-boson then the big-bang theory is not correct and we have to start from scratch.

double edit: Let me know if you want me to explain anti-matter, its pretty cool.
Please do, I wasn't aware they were different.
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Please do, I wasn't aware they were different.
Anti-matter is a particle with the oppisite spin of regular matter. When anit-matter encounters matter, they cancel each other out and turn into pure energy. We really have no idea what dark matter is, only that it makes up about 25% of our universe, while visibe matter makes up 5% and dark energy makes up the other 70%. We can see anti-matter, and we can interact with it. We have never seen dark matter because as far as we know, it does not reflect any type of light. The only reason we theorize that dark matter exists is because of the gravitational affects it has on our universe. We have never seen or interacted with dark matter, we have seen and interacted with anti-matter.

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