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Such a joke. I, and every other person with such thoughts, has the right to "assume", as many of you say. You have no empirical proof as to the existence of your God, and most of you believe in such because your parents did.

Oh, and err, handicapped die, just like everyone else.
WHere did you come from? Count it as a blessing i even replied to you. I am not offering Umpericle proof to God.

Yes thats why i grew up believing what i did, but ive passed the age where my parents expect me to make my own decisions.
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WHere did you come from? Count it as a blessing i even replied to you. I am not offering Umpericle proof to God.
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Only a couple of people here will understand that.... Which you are probably aware of, why do you do that? Just curious.
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And NiceGuy, as to the Handicap thing, them being more likely to be ethical, it came more from experience, rather than logical process. From talking to them at work, on busses, much of what ive seen.

Thus by my own arguments i may not attack your fundamentals, because i dont have your experiences. Likewise you have'nt mine. I do not judge your thoughts, just your actions.
You can't make value judgments, especially universal ones, and ESPECIALLY in ethics, about human beings based on experience. "That's just my experience" is irrelevant to ethics.

You still haven't given me any insight as to your ethical worldview.
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Nobody here, Christian or otherwise, can give you this answer. If you believe, then there is far too much gray area in regards to what constitutes the inability to embrace God and those that were not presented with the opportunity. The whole elitist nature of "we're all right and you're all wrong", and "the bible said this so it's beyond reproach", tends to bug me. I consider myself to believe in God, but there are aspects of supposed Christianity that sicken me. How can God send a man to hell for a mental illness and subsequent suicide when God himself afflicted that man with the illness in the first place? How can God send a man to hell for a mental illness and subsequent inability to comprehend the message?

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Nobody here, Christian or otherwise, can give you this answer. If you believe, then there is far too much gray area in regards to what constitutes the inability to embrace God and those that were not presented with the opportunity. The whole elitist nature of "we're all right and you're all wrong", and "the bible said this so it's beyond reproach", tends to bug me. I consider myself to believe in God, but there are aspects of supposed Christianity that sicken me. How can God send a man to hell for a mental illness and subsequent suicide when God himself afflicted that man with the illness in the first place? How can God send a man to hell for a mental illness and subsequent inability to comprehend the message?

If you do not believe, you're here to muckrake and grandstand. But hey, whatever washes down your anger bile you miserable loads!
First off handicapped doesn't necessitate a mental handicap.
and again i never claimed all crazy ppl go to hell. I dont think that, im not sure how thats handled. I have my own suspicions but you wouldn't care to listen.

The last thing i want to mention is that the smartest man ive ever known once claimed he didnt see how anyone who kills themselves cant be insane. I think i agree wholeheartedly with him. Im saying i think pretty much all suiciders are somewhat insane.
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Im saying i think pretty much all suiciders are somewhat insane.
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Any credibility you once had (however little it was) is now gone.
Ok. You say its not logical to think that anyone who takes their life is not thinking clearly? Decades ago nearly everyone would have agreed with me. Even in this degraded era, i think anyone that can rationally believe suicide to be a better alternative than whatever life they were given has acquired a mental problem.
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Ok. You say its not logical to think that anyone who takes their life is not thinking clearly? Decades ago nearly everyone would have agreed with me. Even in this degraded era, i think anyone that can rationally believe suicide to be a better alternative than whatever life they were given has acquired a mental problem.
You're saying someone who commits suicide has a mental problem. Okay. Understandable, yet not always the case. Anyway... so do you believe that handicap people would go to heaven? So, ultimately, someone who commits suicide would go to heaven?

Suicide -- Mental Problem
Mental Problem -- Handicap
Handicap -- Heaven

So:

Suicide -- Heaven?

Is that you're way of thinking??


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Ok. You say its not logical to think that anyone who takes their life is not thinking clearly? Decades ago nearly everyone would have agreed with me. Even in this degraded era, i think anyone that can rationally believe suicide to be a better alternative than whatever life they were given has acquired a mental problem.
Consider culture for a moment; in Japanese culture, suicide is a preservation of honor -- harakiri. It's not insanity, it's perspective. Clearly the smartest man you've ever known hadn't considered all reasons and forms of suicide.
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Consider culture for a moment; in Japanese culture, suicide is a preservation of honor -- harakiri. It's not insanity, it's perspective. Clearly the smartest man you've ever known hadn't considered all reasons and forms of suicide.
True. I was thinking more along the lines of people being blind, deaf, and dumb. Or some other scenario where life is just completely and irreversibly unbearable. Exactly as you said, NG, it's just perspective.
 

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