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Once again, think of context. When God illustrated that Adam was dust, and to dust he will return, (1)he does not address the soul, he addresses the physical being. Or maybe he wants emphasize how mortal humans are and how temporary this life is. With the ecl passage I don't see a problem with that, in the grave, (2) it does not mean spiritual it means physical. A physical death, we are a soul and a physical body.(3) Adam did not exist before he was cvreated because God created him.

1. A man IS a soul. According to the Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary, “often the soul is equated with the total person.” For instance, Genesis 2:7 states: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” The first man, Adam, was a soul.

2.Please explain to me how it does not mean spiritual. You can not be spiritual without life, am I not correct? If you die, can you STILL be considered a spiritual person? No. It would be worded "you WERE a spiritual person." Do you catch my drift?

3. I agree with you 100% on that one. No need for argument there.
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1. A man IS a soul. According to the Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary, “often the soul is equated with the total person.” For instance, Genesis 2:7 states: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” The first man, Adam, was a soul.
1. I never said a man did not have a soul. You can not make a claim that a person is a soul. Not only does that not make sense philosophicaly, but it just doesnt make sense. If that is a different translation, here is a better one straight from bible gateway. This shows that we are completed when instilled with a soul.
Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed the man [e] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
but you have to remember when we die, we leave our physical bodies behind and we just have our soul. The soul is not a part of the physical body persay, it is a seperate entity that dwells within our body. This is why it is possible for it to seperate at death. Or it could be that when we die, our soul breaks away from the physical body, and that its nature is trapped in our flesh, which would explain the fallen-ness of humans. But it seems more logical that it is dwelling inside of us but is seperate at the same time.
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2.Please explain to me how it does not mean spiritual. You can not be spiritual without life, am I not correct? If you die, can you STILL be considered a spiritual person? No. It would be worded "you WERE a spiritual person." Do you catch my drift?
Restate again the passage in question, I can't find it, then i can give an answer. I do like the questions you are asking though, these things are never furthered without deep questions.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, where we read: "The dead know nothing . . . In the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom." (New International Version) Scripturally, death is a state of nonexistence. The dead have no awareness, no feelings, no thoughts.
The only way you will agree with my answer is if you agree with my view on soul and phys/ body. The the answer is obvious, in the grave where you are going is nothing. Well that is all well and good for a physical body, but if we look back to Genesis then we will see that God breathed the breath of Life into Adam, probably the soul. And when he says to dust you return, he was not addressing the spiritual part. And besides, the context is based in a physical reality nota spiritual one, so I have no problem with this passage. Don't just look at the verse, look at the whole chapter. The author is also describing the serious ness of sin, this is ort of like a fire and brim stone chapter in that sense. Think about it.
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1. I never said a man did not have a soul. You can not make a claim that a person is a soul. Not only does that not make sense philosophicaly, but it just doesnt make sense. If that is a different translation, here is a better one straight from bible gateway. This shows that we are completed when instilled with a soul.
Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed the man [e] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
but you have to remember when we die, we leave our physical bodies behind and we just have our soul. The soul is not a part of the physical body persay, it is a seperate entity that dwells within our body. This is why it is possible for it to seperate at death. Or it could be that when we die, our soul breaks away from the physical body, and that its nature is trapped in our flesh, which would explain the fallen-ness of humans. But it seems more logical that it is dwelling inside of us but is seperate at the same time.
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The understanding that the word “soul” can mean the whole person is supported by other scriptures. For example, the Bible speaks of a soul’s doing work. (Leviticus 23:30) The soul is spoken of as being impatient, irritated, sleepless, fearful, and depressed. (Judges 16:16; Job 19:2; Psalm 119:28; Acts 2:43; 1 Thessalonians 5:14) Referring to a soul as a person, Romans 13:1 states: “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” And at 1 Peter 3:20, we read: “In Noah’s days, . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.” Nothing in these scriptures indicates that the soul is some immaterial entity that lives on after death.
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Restate again the passage in question, I can't find it, then i can give an answer. I do like the questions you are asking though, these things are never furthered without deep questions.
Once again, think of context. When God illustrated that Adam was dust, and to dust he will return, he does not address the soul, he addresses the physical being. Or maybe he wants emphasize how mortal humans are and how temporary this life is. With the ecl passage I don't see a problem with that, in the grave, (2) it does not mean spiritual it means physical. A physical death, we are a soul and a physical body. Adam did not exist before he was cvreated because God created him.

I was asking why you think it does not mean a spiritual death.
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Hell is not a literal place.
It doesn't exist.

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Whats religion?
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Once again, think of context. When God illustrated that Adam was dust, and to dust he will return, he does not address the soul, he addresses the physical being. Or maybe he wants emphasize how mortal humans are and how temporary this life is. With the ecl passage I don't see a problem with that, in the grave, (2) it does not mean spiritual it means physical. A physical death, we are a soul and a physical body. Adam did not exist before he was cvreated because God created him.

I was asking why you think it does not mean a spiritual death.
I don't see why you keep bringing in Adam and Eve. That is complete bullshit.
The story is completely improbable if you even have a basic grasp on genetics and how genotypes and reproduction work
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Duuuuuuude I'llflipya are you freaking kidding me?

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