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If you're so confident, there shouldn't be a problem putting money on it.
I don't bet/gamble.

I've made my point. Whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care - so I'm not going to continue with it anymore.

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I don't bet/gamble.

I've made my point. Whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care - so I'm not going to continue with it anymore.
Gambling implies that there's a chance you could lose. Are you admitting that you might be wrong?
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Yes. the word ''can'' does not imply certainty, altho in use in the sentence
''Christianity can only be justified through faith''
''Can'' implies that Christianity is justifiable and not justifiable.
But the certainty remains that ''Christianity can be justified''
If I, a male version of our beloved species, say that "I can only give birth only if I am a woman", does that mean that it's I can give birth.

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I don't bet/gamble.

I've made my point. Whether you agree with it or not, I don't really care - so I'm not going to continue with it anymore.
Saying something and making a point are not the same thing. You said something, but you made no point. You can't just hack off the end of a true statement and say that what remains is a true statment.

Your grasp of English and logic seem to be somewhat lacking if not altogether absent.


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Yes. the word ''can'' does not imply certainty, altho in use in the sentence
''Christianity can only be justified through faith''
''Can'' implies that Christianity is justifiable and not justifiable.
But the certainty remains that ''Christianity can be justified''
"Christianity can only be justified through faith."
This implies
"If faith does not justify Christianity, nothing does."
Thus, with this line
"Faith is never sufficient to justify a belief."
You clearly state that Christianity is not justifiable due to it's reliance on faith.
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This thread in my opionion is pointless. this whole topic of this part of the forum is pointless as well. nothing ever happens here. if somebody has been converted to the others side of atheism or christianity then please tell me, but if nobody has then in my opion this whole thing is pointless. christianity is run on faith not proof. the only way to find out if it is true is to die and nobody here wants to do that. there is no point is saying that one side is right on proof because neither side has enough of it. in the end we all have doubts on both sides of the issue. the only reason that we have sides is because of our beliefs and those are the only thing there is. you can tell me everything that scientist have found but i wont give a s**t. chrisianity is my faith and i will follow it to the end. you all can keep argueing but like always it will amount to nothing. unless any of you have seen heaven or have seen the big bang then please post but other than that you have crap to truly win for your side of the battle since that is what you want it to be colostomizer.
the last thing that i have to post is that i have respect for all you for your post in this thread. your all fighting for you beliefs and that is cool in my opionon. either way it works whoever is right wont be able to showoff to it to the other side since whichever side wins will for the most part never really know it. Thanks if you actually took the time to read this. Sorry for the spelling and grammer but im typing in the dark. Peace.

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Ok dude, calm down... take a chill pill.. and breath for about a minute..... you don't have to go off and make us all look like retards.... You really don't have to be here durring this discussion... It is only for those that don't mind discussing our beliefs.... your only making us (as in Christians) look like bigger idiots posting these "eveyone is stupid" type of post... just calm down... state what you have to state if it will continue in a part of the discussion not calling everyone retards... and if ur truely a Christian... watch ur language... just saying this as a fellow Christian.. and i went off earlier... check back in page 3.... and i am calming down.. follow the advice given to me by the guy that quoted what i said....

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Also, if by "stuff the bible down your throat" you mean literally, then no -- that's the mormons.
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"Christianity can only be justified through faith."
This implies
"If faith does not justify Christianity, nothing does."
Thus, with this line
"Faith is never sufficient to justify a belief."
You clearly state that Christianity is not justifiable due to it's reliance on faith.

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mind f**k...?
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You're not giving me much to work with there
That was a language arguement on the implications of the wording, 'cause some people, not to mention any names *couh*I'm to lazy to scroll up *cough*, thought there was a contradiction is Colosomizer's wording.
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You're not giving me much to work with there
That was a language arguement on the implications of the wording, 'cause some people, not to mention any names *couh*I'm to lazy to scroll up *cough*, thought there was a contradiction is Colosomizer's wording.
Yeah i just didn't understand what you were saying...i mean i know what your point was, but just couldn't literally translate it in my head
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Christianity is wrong. It can only be justified through faith, and faith is never sufficient to justify a belief. How can a belief be justified?
I don't really know exactly what you mean by "justification." Please explain.

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If you are going to act on a belief, that belief had damn well better be justified.
Again, I'm not sure what this whole justification thing even is. Could you give an example of a justified belief?


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You may even experience feelings of bliss while praying. There is no question that it is possible for people to have profoundly transformative experiences...And there is no question that it is possible for them to misinterpret these experiences, and to further delude themselves about the nature of reality.
I'm sure Sam Harris addresses this somewhere in his book, but what about those whose faith is not based on some sort of emotional transcendental experience?
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I don't really know exactly what you mean by "justification." Please explain.



Again, I'm not sure what this whole justification thing even is. Could you give an example of a justified belief?




I'm sure Sam Harris addresses this somewhere in his book, but what about those whose faith is not based on some sort of emotional transcendental experience?
A justified belief is the belief in gravity. We can see it's effects, and test them. We know, beyond any reasonable doubt, that gravity exists. Justifiable beliefs are testable, or atleast have a foundation on something else that is observed and tested.

As for faith not based on emotions, I'd have to say that that is the best kind. Emotions can obscure judgement, making your choices less rational. A thought through belief is generally a lot sounder than other ones.
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