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Yeah, see, that might be the problem PM my boy.

You're over there Freud-ing, and I'm over here Hume-ing.


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you're over there critiquing dentists/cartesians while i'm over here saying, "k done, critique hume"
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You're the one who is suggesting that an amputee can't recognize themselves in a mirror.


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u- u really think that's what i was saying, u old tart ?
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but you don't seem to want to ask anything like 'to what extent could consciousness even exist' without e.g. the rest of the body
Until you actually give this statement some meaning/relevance to the topic at hand, then yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and pretend you meant something far more entertaining.

Or are you (predictably) completely ignoring the fact that my original proposition split the body symmetrically down the center FOR A REASON.


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Until you actually give this statement some meaning/relevance to the topic at hand, then yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and pretend you meant something far more entertaining.
then i'll say it again very simply for you: could you have a conscious self if you were only ever a brain in a vat, devoid of experience of a body (of being embodied) or interpersonal relationships (other 'bodies', etc.) and only introduced to e.g. color-impressions?
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could you have a conscious self if you were only ever a brain in a vat, devoid of experience of a body (of being embodied) or interpersonal relationships (etc.) and only introduced to e.g. color-impressions?
Well gosh, PM, that's really not the topic I'm trying to discuss at all, now is it? Yet you're trying so hard to make this thread about that, instead of TTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSS.


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so now you're wanting the mind-body problem to take up the same problem as the ship of theseus. lol.



putting to one side the hilarity of what ur saying here for a sec, the question still stands as to how you could ask your question and expect a meaningful answer if (in our thought experiment) there's no such thing as a spatial (embodied, brainy) understanding of self in the first place.
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I am definitively saying that developmental psychology has absolutely nothing to do with what I am trying to talk about in this thread, and until you draw an utterly prodigal parallel between those two things, we are not going to have much to chat over.

You are trying to appropriate the concept of consciousness in a way that is completely deviant from any way that it is typically talked about in a metaphysical context, and I've told you already that I have no interest in discussing that because I don't read the same magazines as you.


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putting to one side the hilarity of what ur saying here for a sec, the question still stands as to how you could ask your question and expect a meaningful answer if (in our thought experiment) there's no such thing as a spatial (embodied, brainy) understanding of self in the first place.

quit dodging everything i post
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