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answer: trick question, neither; at the point your brain/body is split in half, whatever you would've called "you", which would otherwise have to be ascribed to both sides, would simply be dead (permanently non-emergent)

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PM's response to Mary's Room:

"Doesn't matter, she'd still have to eat food and you can't serve someone grayscale food, so you couldn't conduct the experiment in real life and therefore the operating logic behind the experiment is irrelevant."


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nope. u really suck. gj associating ur own experiment w another thinker's (more precisely, replacing my refutation of ur own with a fictional, absurd refutation of theirs) so that u can continue to brush off the claim that ur experiment, specifically, is a simple linguistic trick
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That's funny, PM, because I don't find it all that tricky. You're the one who's unnecessarily complicating it.


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i didn't say it was tricky, i said it was a simple trick. it's a trick in the cheap carnival sense-- it's quite the opposite of tricky (puzzling). (this is obvious as it was already solved by the time i posted my first series of complicating questions, which were an attempt to give ur thread something more to talk about).
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And what, pray tell, is so hard for you to accept about the way I phrased the question?

"You" = consciousness (use your own definition, I don't care).

Not that hard.


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ur tendency to get confused by language like that (tricky v. trick) and yet still posture ur posts to look like you know what ur saying is emblematic of the problem w this thread (or more specifically, my problem w ur question).

even stipulating that "you" = consciousness (whatever you're saying this is or isn't), the question as u put it is only really asking about whether somebody can be alive to call themselves a somebody after being split in half (unless ur saying that some third party could see you (split in half) and call you "you" and be talking about your consciousness). so quite obviously this means that if someone cannot be alive, they cannot be said to exist (on either side, as it were). btw, the dualists didn't and don't ascribe consciousness to one hemisphere of the brain or the other, right or left, but rather to the brain itself (as opposed to the body), as it would seem ur also doing in spite of ur (already-)decidedly anti-dualistic convictions
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Okay, and your blatant disregard of the Ship of Theseus problem as unrelated to this debate is pretty strong indication that you're not talking about the same thing everyone else is talking about, too.


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wat?
lol, that was related to klima's post, which is why i posted that bit RE the puzzle of theseus' ship in response to his post, specifically (which dealt with the problem of identity over time)-- i said his problem is unrelated to consciousness as such (just as urs is), the implication being that his problem is instead asking something about identity over time.

it's clear now that ur just simply being petty and that ur complaints aren't even on point. quit breathing already
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even stipulating that "you" = consciousness (whatever you're saying this is or isn't), the question as u put it is only really asking about whether somebody can be alive to call themselves a somebody after being split in half (unless ur saying that some third party could see you (split in half) and call you "you" and be talking about your consciousness). so quite obviously this means that if someone cannot be alive, they cannot be said to exist (on either side, as it were). btw, the dualists didn't and don't ascribe consciousness to one hemisphere of the brain or the other, right or left, but rather to the brain itself (as opposed to the body), as it would seem ur also doing in spite of ur (already-)decidedly anti-dualistic convictions
Wow.

Okay.

If you're going to continue to be a stickler about the "being dead" part, ignoring the fact that 99% of thought experiments require at least some form of suspension of disbelief, then I'm not going to continue.

And if you're going to continue, for SOME reason, to assume that I think the consciousness exists exclusively in one hemisphere of the conjoined brain, or that I think that other people think that, even when I CLEARLY STATED THE EXACT OPPOSITE MULTIPLE TIMES OVER, then I'm REALLY not going to continue, because you're apparently absorbing exactly zero percent of what I'm saying to you.


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